Saturday, March 26, 2011

Insomniac Night Owl's questions

As usual, Insomniac Night Owl has asked some interesting questions about Vesta, AKA "Chastity Planet".


1) Other than voting (and sexual) rights, are male residents considered the equals of females in Minerva? Is there anything to prevent a "male suffrage" movement, or "open our cup" protests?

(For those who've just tuned in, Minerva is the original Utopian adult only settlement where the males all wear alien tech chastity cups.)

Yes, they have equal rights. However, the constitutions of individual settlements are guaranteed by the Aliens who own the Adult Zone.

2) What is the founding principal/culture block for Amazonia? Is it a lesbian culture that grudingly admits males (for a constitutional obligation, some sort of gender based health concern, etc) out of necessity? Are they outright female supremacists who keep males around to underscore their philosophy? Is it a colony of sexual abuse victims that uses the chastized males as therapy?

Haven't visited there yet. However, since this is escapist erotica, I'd tend to stay clear of the rehabilitation angle.

I think it's primarily female supremacist, however there will be a variety of motives for going there, not least the being served hand and foot.

3) Does the position of males in Amazonia correspond to one of the Femtopian castes? Or is it a unique level?

Unfree Neuters. Very much slaves in the mundane sense. Since there's no escape route, the situation is worse than in Femtopia.

4)Other than sexual fetish, is there any reason for males to go to Amazonia (either short term or as a long term resident)? If so, what is the attraction(s)?

It's a big galaxy, and Amazonia is a small state! Subtler than straight up fetish is the desire to subordinate to a female. The relationships can be quite nurturing. Also, there are big bucks to be earned by selling yourself for a tour.

5) How do heterosexual relationships work in Amazonia? Is there some semblance of dating/courtship, or does a woman just grab the guy off the street? Is a male allowed to ask a woman out in Amazonia? Is he allowed to refuse her request for sex?

The men are all slaves and have no more control over their fate or bodies than historical slaves, except that physical safety is guaranteed.

6) Do Neutralia and Amazonia participate in the demerit system? Do they have their own color codes for the collars?
No. Neutralia is a unisex utopia. Amazonia is a slave state.

~For Amazonia, at least, it seems like you might want to have one collar for "free"/communally owned males, and another color for ones who currently have a mistress (lets the women know whether a male is fair game, or if someone's gonna complain).

See above. The only men in Amazonia are slaves.

7)What is the founding block/principal for Neutalia? Romantics desiring a "non-aggressive" sexuality (defining penetrative intercourse as aggressive)? Transvestites? Something else?

Not sure yet. Possibly - like most real states - a confluence of contrasting interests, i.e. everything!

8)Does Neutralia use gender neutral clothing? Can people where the clothes of either gender? Can women go topless, or do both genders need to wear shirts? What about lingerie/swimwear?

I'll let you know when I find out!

9)How does the demotion from Free Neuter to Thrall work in Femtopia? Is there a wedding-style proposal? Do friends/family celebrate? Or is it just a matter of filing paperwork?

I'll need a better term than demotion. "Transfer" perhaps? As for ritual... no tradition to do with proposals, no paper work either - since the whole system works of key word commands. However, I suppose there'd be the equivalent of a stag night, and complexities about prexisting friendships with other Free Neuters.


10)Are there any reasons to travel between the different colony-nations?

The usual - business, tourism. Some advantages in going from Femtopia to Minerva, since F/;M anal penetration has no random penalties in the latter.

Are cup sizes/access determined by the local rules, or by whatever the lowest/least applicable rule is?
Something like that.

Do the colony-nations have to return males seeking to "defect" (or run from their mistresses)?
Do the other colony-nations recognize individual female claims to particular males (such a Femtopian's bondsman)?

No. However, the tour timer stops counting down if you leave your assigned state for more than a couple of weeks.

11)Are the chastity cups purely to restrict access (and mount dildos)? Or do they have other functions? For example, you've mentioned they might have "teasing" or "punishment" modes. Do they do other things, to?

Depends on the state. Vesta is built to be non-male orientated.

12)Are there "leash laws" in some colony nations? Does a male's collar display his mistress's name?
Quite possibly. Yes - collars display names.

13)Do bondsmen (etc.) have to be owned by individuals? Or can they be owned by legal entites - corporations, trusts, governments?
All of the above. However, there will be caps on numbers depending on supply and demand.

Then, regarding Femtopia:

Bondsman/Thrall distinction
Neither has property rights. However, the Thrall is on duty 24/7, whereas the Bondsman is off duty after his 8 hours.

The real distinction is that Bondsmen are an investment. You can't make that much money renting them out, because there are plenty of Free Neuters providing free, or quasi-free competition. However, you can make a nice return selling them on as Bondsmen.

You can only own one male - Thrall, Neuter or Mute - but you can have several Bondsmen.

What prevents most women from mistreating their bondsmen is the fear that they will demote or transfer to escape if they are treated as badly as the lower ranks.

10 comments:

An Insomniac Night Owl said...

Hmm . . .

1> If Minerva considers gender a social construct, does that mean it makes no difference between hetero-, homo-, and bi-sexual relationships? And that longterm residents see nothing odd with any pairing (or group) of romantically involved individuals?

2> If all males are communally owned in Amazonia - and women aren't allowed to "call dibs" on their favorites - does that mean the males all live communally (in dorms/barracks/etc.)

3> If Amazonia doesn't use the demerit system, and guarantees the bodily integrity of the males, how does it punish troublemakers?

4> Which way does Amazonia skew: angry female supremacists (men are scum, they should be punished as often as possible), or more positive (men are just inferior and should be pitied - and controlled - to keep them out of trouble)?

5> What's the gender balance of the four major colony-nations? 50/50? 60/40? 90/10? And if skewed, are there more males or females?

6>How does Minerva view female sexuality (and the female sex drive)? Is it considered a vice (albeit less of one than the male equivalent)? Or is it celebrated (and only the male needs are viewed askance)?

7> What are the core principles (i.e. minimum requirements) that any Vestan colony-nation must adhere to? Is it just a requirement that males be "fixed" (anti-violence collar & anti-penetration chastity cup)? Or are there others?

8> Can a female in Neutralia experiment with artificial male (feeldo) gentitalia constrained by a chastity cup, in order to better blur the gender lines? Can a Minervan female?

9>Can Femtopian females sell their neuters to Amazonia? Can they buy males off Amazonia?

10>What standard are you judging "worse" by? It seems like you consider Minerva to be the "best" colony-nation for men to immigrate to - but it seems like Neutralia (overall) is even better. And I'd argue that Femtopia - while riskier (because of the demerits) - is at least equally as good (since it also allows sexual pleasure), particularly for males who immigrate with a loving/compassionate female partner.

11>Do you still consider Vesta a pleasure planet - and with a pleasure planet's reputation? Or is it a "normal" world with just some "eccentricities"?

An Insomniac Night Owl said...

And some thoughts:

A) Neutralia needs more development - particularly since it seems to be in direct competition with Minerva, and (for males) it seems to be an even better deal. (Basically) equal civil rights and unrestricted access to orgasms? Any male immigrant would have to be a fool to turn that down, unless he was really into femdom and/or chastity. And with its gender neutral status, (in practice) it seems to overlap with Minerva's attitudes toward gender - since neither (officially) acknowledges a difference between genders.

B) Giving males full & equal civil rights in Neutralia and (particularly) Minerva looks like it would pose structural issues. If males have a vote (and right to form protests), then (at some point) it seems like they would move to amend the Minervan constituion to allow their cups to open - and they're likely to get some female support for the position. At that point, it seems like the original purpose of Minerva would be lost, or the aliens would have to invade to re-impose the original rules (which would certainly hurt immigration -and possibly bring other planets into the situation/war).

In other words, there seems to be a structural need (both story and sociological) to limit male rights - and to hardwire compliance into the system. Its one thing, after all, to have a recidivist male punished for trying to change the core rules, another entirely to have to put down mass demonstrations.

There are probably a lot of ways to handle that, but I'd start by looking at a male-only curfew, and some sort of limit on the right to assemble: perhaps Minervan females must outnumber the males in any given area, and "spontaneous" assemblies (i.e. not class or work related, or otherwise "pre-planned" events) are limited to 5 males in a 10 meter radius

C> Oh, and for the term to describe a male "demoting" to thrall, may I suggest "dedicating", "devoting", or "pledging" (himself), as a more positive term?

D> I’d also like to suggest trying to avoid making any one colony “better” than the others - try to leave at least one strong non-fetish advantage for each culture, and one serious drawback.

E>It might suit Amazonia to use non-flesh tone colors for their cups - the better to emphasize that the males are "lesser beings" who have to be controlled. Perhaps metallic (for a "traditional" look), or maybe something bright and obvious (maybe the the Amazonian flag, or crest, covers the entire thing).

F>A final suggestion would be to encourage strong trading/sporting links between the different colony-nations. For example, you could have a lot of fun (short story wise) having students from Minerva travel to Neutralia or Amazonia to "study abroad" or for sports competitions.

An Insomniac Night Owl said...

Hmm . . . more random thoughts (hopefully they make sense - its getting late)

Z> How do the anti-violence collars work? Are they able to detect violent impulses, or does it take some initial act/symptom of violence to trigger (fresh blood, for example)? Or is there a way for them to sense the presence of another person, and prevent the male from approaching (without permission)? And do they simply inhibit the action (as a form of paralysis), or is it more of a shock collar model?

Y> You might want to give the female rings a "panic button", as a form of ultimate reassurance for the women. Perhaps it triggers all of the chastity cups in a fifteen meter to immediately close and shift to the mute's small-tight fit format, summons the police/medics, and imposes movement limitations on any nearby males (although you wouldn't want to go crazy with that - the woman might need emergency help from the males).

X> Again, as a last ditch thing, it might be worth putting the chastity cups on a dead man switch - where the default setting is the absolute worst for the male - closed, tightest fit, etc. And if something major happens - the aliens disappear, a way is found to tamper with the cup, etc. - the males with better settings (Neutralian, high caste Femtopians, etc.) all devolve back to the absolute worst setting possible (for them).

W> On a different topic, you might want to limit the technology of the human-ruled worlds outside the Alien/Adult Zone. If humans don't have self-replicating nanotech, and human tech follows its current path, the really sophisticated stuff (computers, biotech, etc.) would requires large, phenomenally expensive facilities to manufacture - and shipping across the galaxy (or universe) is likely to be very expensive.

So you could legitimately argue that Earth and the core human worlds are super-advanced, but the border worlds are much less so (signals are much, much cheaper -even today). That would give you a number of contemporary-Earth like worlds to draw people from - which might help your audience identify with the setting, and help explain why people go to Vesta (rather than Earth) for higher education (the ticket is much, much cheaper)

V>Do the women of Femtopia deliberately cultivate their own sexuality (and sexual appeal to males)? You could make an argument that they (and actually many of the women of Vesta) should be learning to belly dance, study tantric sex methods, do cardio-striptease (instead of yoga) for aerobic exercise, and so on. On one hand, it could be used to squeeze more labor (or devotion, or female orgasms) out of the males is a good reason to do so. And on the other, it could be an expression of the inherent feminity (and how they're different/better than the males)

U>On the previous post (the Rule of Ten one), you have an image of a nude male performing cunnilingus on a female. Is that the kind of thing a Femtopian female can expect upon coming home after a hard day's work? Is that more an Amazonian thing? Neither? If so, would the female (of either culture) be embarrassed to have her friends see such a thing (assuming she's a long time resident, and not a newcomer)?

An Insomniac Night Owl said...

Hmm . . . I was very . . . verbose, last night. Let's see if I can't summarize/clarify some of the major points:

1> What are the core requirements that any group must meet to form a colony on Vesta? Is it just a requirement that all men be "fixed" (placed in an anti-violence collar and anti-penetration cup)?

A)Based on your short stories, it seems like there's also a presumption that the focus on any romantic relationship should be on female pleasure - and that the society must be set up to keep the male residents horny*

*not for male pleasure, but possibly for their "benefit" - or to enhance the experience/control of the women

2> Neutralia causes problems:

B)Because all of the chastity cups are open, males are able to masturbate freely. Not ony does this take away from it being a "chastity planet", it also lets stories "be about the boy" - the male residents don't have to worry about the women, or pleasuring females

C)The unisex policy seems to make Neutralia very, very similar to Minerva - the only major difference seems to be whether the males are allowed penis-based orgasms.

D)Because Neutralia allows male orgasms, it seems like it would be the premiere destination of males visiting Vesta

3> Minervan policies seem to directly undermine the general normalcy you're trying to achieve with that society.

E)Because Minervan males have no hope of penile orgasm, what motivates them to pursue Minervan females? At some point, even the stupidest tourist or immigrant is going to realize that desiring a girl only makes his life worse. And surely at least some of the girls are going to want boyfriends

F)And the "gender is a social construct" policy seems to require that Minerva consider no difference between hetero, homo, and bi- relationships. Either all are equally valid, or both genders would be expected to be asexual - either way, that seems to be more appropriate to Neutralia

4> I think you want to include several levels of fail-safes in Vestan society, rather than just saying "society stays this way because the aliens make it work". For one, its a deus ex machina solution - which is generally considered a major story flaw. On the other, having numerous fallbacks (to maintain the chaste status quo) works to head off problems you don't want to occur, and reassure parents nervous about sending their kids off to an alien-controlled pleasure planet (What happens if X fails? What happens if X and Y fail? . . . )

*)Sooner or later, male residents of a colony-nation (particularly the ones stuck in long term contracts) are going to try and amend their constitution to allow greater/equal orgasmic rights. Thus, each colony-nation needs a way to keep the males off their chastity cup control boards, to limit their ability to get pro-male rights candidates elected, to head off protests, and limit the efficacy of female supporters (no "Women for the Ethical Treatment of Males", etc. - or at least keep it fringe).

Just saying the constitution can't be amended like that is also a bit of a deus ex machina solution - and limits both the future of the society, and you're ability to introduce changes down the road.

*)Female residents need a way to immediately protect themselves against rogue males, to prevent themselves from being mobbed by horny men (each trying to seduce her), etc.

My suggestion is to include a panic button feature: partially immoblizing males in the immediate area, shifting their cups (temporarily) into a "sucks to be male" configuration, contact police/EMTs. . . basically force the males to back off and get official help dispatched

- to be continued -

An Insomniac Night Owl said...

Hmm . . . I was very . . . verbose, last night. Let's see if I can't summarize/clarify some of the major points:

1> What are the core requirements that any group must meet to form a colony on Vesta? Is it just a requirement that all men be "fixed" (placed in an anti-violence collar and anti-penetration cup)?

A)Based on your short stories, it seems like there's also a presumption that the focus on any romantic relationship should be on female pleasure - and that the society must be set up to keep the male residents horny*

*not for male pleasure, but possibly for their "benefit" - or to enhance the experience/control of the women

2> Neutralia causes problems:

B)Because all of the chastity cups are open, males are able to masturbate freely. Not ony does this take away from it being a "chastity planet", it also lets stories "be about the boy" - the male residents don't have to worry about the women, or pleasuring females

C)The unisex policy seems to make Neutralia very, very similar to Minerva - the only major difference seems to be whether the males are allowed penis-based orgasms.

D)Because Neutralia allows male orgasms, it seems like it would be the premiere destination of males visiting Vesta

3> Minervan policies seem to directly undermine the general normalcy you're trying to achieve with that society.

E)Because Minervan males have no hope of penile orgasm, what motivates them to pursue Minervan females? At some point, even the stupidest tourist or immigrant is going to realize that desiring a girl only makes his life worse.

F)And the "gender is a social construct" policy seems to require that Minerva consider no difference between hetero, homo, and bi- relationships. Either all are equally valid, or both genders would be expected to be asexual - either way, that seems to be more appropriate to Neutralia

4> I think you want to include several levels of fail-safes in Vestan society, rather than just saying "society stays this way because the aliens make it work". For one, its a deus ex machina solution - which is generally considered a major story flaw. On the other, having numerous fallbacks (to maintain the chaste status quo) works to head off problems you don't want to occur, and reassure parents nervous about sending their kids off to an alien-controlled pleasure planet (What happens if X fails? What happens if X and Y fail? . . . )

*)Sooner or later, male residents of a colony-nation (particularly the ones stuck in long term contracts) are going to try and amend their constition to allow greater/equal orgasmic rights. Thus, each colony-nation needs a way to keep the males off their chastity cup control boards, to limit their ability to get pro-male rights candidates elected, to head off protests, and limit the efficacy of female supporters (no "Women for the Ethical Treatment of Males", etc. - or at least keep it fringe).

Just saying the constituion can't be amended like that is also a bit of a deus ex machina solution - and limits both the future of the society, and you're ability to introduce changes down the road.

*)Female residents need a way to immediately protect themselves against rogue males, to prevent themselves from being mobbed by horny men (each trying to seduce her), etc.

My suggestion is to include a panic button feature: partially immoblizing males in the immediate area, shifting their cups (temporarily) into a "sucks to be male" configuration, contact police/EMTs. . . basically force the males to back off and get official help dispatched

- Continued Below -

An Insomniac Night Owl said...

- Continued Above -

*)Anti-tampering/ revolution/ social-breakdown measures. If all hell breaks lose - a third species invades, some freak phenomena interferes with the cup/collar system, etc. - Vesta needs a way to maintain the chaste male ethos and guarantee the social structure.

My suggestion is to have the whole system on a dead man's switch. Make the default setting of the collars crippling/immobilizing, and have the cups reset to a sucks-to-be-male configuration. So, while most people think of the cups shrinking/closing, the system actually works by enlarging/opening. This way, even in the face of massive unexpected social breakdown, the chastity system continues - and males have an incentive to help get society working again.

*)You also need a way to keep smugglers/pirates from getting unfixed males onto the planet. That could be alien domination of the spaceways (jump gates, whatever) or possibly some feature was added during the terraforming process to make Vesta very hostile/dangerous to unfixed males.

5> How do the various societies view female sexuality (and sexual desire)? And how far are the allowed (and expected) to push things?

G)For example, based on your short stories, it seems like women in Femtopia are encouraged to be as lusty as they want to be, and to sexually tease any males they find.
But would it be acceptable for a Femtopian female to order her thrall to perform oral sex on her in public? Or at home with friends?
And what about activities that are often affiliated with female sexuality? Would it be odd for a group of Femtopian female friends to head out to belly or pole dancing class after work? Or for a woman to be seen studying a book on tantric sex at lunch?

H)Minerva & Amazonia, on the other hand, I can't get a feel for. Do Amazonians consider heterosexual desires odd - or an outright moral failing (kind of like the contemporary view of bestiality)? Or do they consider it normal - but that males are incapable of being life partners/spouses? In Minerva, are women expected to deny their libidio?

6>If you deny the main human/Earth civilization self-replicating nanotech, then you can legitimately argue that the frontiers of the human empire are only about as sophisticated as (our) Earth. Advanced manufacturing facilities are phenomenally expensive (a trend likely to continue), and you can reasonably argue that most of the major ones are located near the core worlds.

That would give you a number of planets (with civilizations like ours) to draw immigrants from, and help explain why people go to Vesta, not Earth, for their education (shipping - whether people or cargo - is also rather expensive, and Vesta is much closer).

7>For story purposes, I think you want to maintain strong links between the different colony-nations of Vesta. It could be very . . . educational, for a Minervan male to swing by Amazonia for a couple of days (sports tournament, vacation, study abroad)

And on that topic, you might want to make the Amazonian cup/collars stand out, as a sign of male bondage. A thicker/broader collar, and a cup that calls attention to their neutered status: maybe a "traditional" metallic look, a bright enameled color, the Amazonian flag or crest . . . Yep, there could definitely be some fun having a Minervan male getting hosed off along with his Amazonian counterparts.

8>And how do the anti-violence collars work? And do they inhibit violence with pain (a l a shock collar), inducing paralysis, some third way?

9>What is the gender balance of each colony-nation? And are they happy with that balance, or are they actively trying to change it?

And I think that covers all of the major points that I meant to make last night. Good luck with the writing!

An Insomniac Night Owl said...

Part one of tonight's two parter

Hmm . . . I was very . . . verbose, last night. Let's see if I can't summarize/clarify some of the major points:

1> What are the core requirements that any group must meet to form a colony on Vesta? Is it just a requirement that all men be "fixed" (placed in an anti-violence collar and anti-penetration cup)?

A)Based on your short stories, it seems like there's also a presumption that the focus on any romantic relationship should be on female pleasure - and that the society must be set up to keep the male residents horny*

*not for male pleasure, but possibly for their "benefit" - or to enhance the experience/control of the women

2> Neutralia causes problems:

B)Because all of the chastity cups are open, males are able to masturbate freely. Not ony does this take away from it being a "chastity planet", it also lets stories "be about the boy" - the male residents don't have to worry about the women, or pleasuring females

C)The unisex policy seems to make Neutralia very, very similar to Minerva - the only major difference seems to be whether the males are allowed penis-based orgasms.

D)Because Neutralia allows male orgasms, it seems like it would be the premiere destination of males visiting Vesta

3> Minervan policies seem to directly undermine the general normalcy you're trying to achieve with that society.

E)Because Minervan males have no hope of penile orgasm, what motivates them to pursue Minervan females? At some point, even the stupidest tourist or immigrant is going to realize that desiring a girl only makes his life worse.

F)And the "gender is a social construct" policy seems to require that Minerva consider no difference between hetero, homo, and bi- relationships. Either all are equally valid, or both genders would be expected to be asexual - either way, that seems to be more appropriate to Neutralia

4> I think you want to include several levels of fail-safes in Vestan society, rather than just saying "society stays this way because the aliens make it work". For one, its a deus ex machina solution - which is generally considered a major story flaw. On the other, having numerous fallbacks (to maintain the chaste status quo) works to head off problems you don't want to occur, and reassure parents nervous about sending their kids off to an alien-controlled pleasure planet (What happens if X fails? What happens if X and Y fail? . . . )

*)Sooner or later, male residents of a colony-nation (particularly the ones stuck in long term contracts) are going to try and amend their constition to allow greater/equal orgasmic rights. Thus, each colony-nation needs a way to keep the males off their chastity cup control boards, to limit their ability to get pro-male rights candidates elected, to head off protests, and limit the efficacy of female supporters (no "Women for the Ethical Treatment of Males", etc. - or at least keep it fringe).

Just saying the constituion can't be amended like that is also a bit of a deus ex machina solution - and limits both the future of the society, and you're ability to introduce changes down the road.

*)Female residents need a way to immediately protect themselves against rogue males, to prevent themselves from being mobbed by horny men (each trying to seduce her), etc.

My suggestion is to include a panic button feature: partially immoblizing males in the immediate area, shifting their cups (temporarily) into a "sucks to be male" configuration, contact police/EMTs. . . basically force the males to back off and get official help dispatched

An Insomniac Night Owl said...

This is part one of tonight's two-parter - it keeps disappearing

Hmm . . . I was very . . . verbose, last night. Let's see if I can't summarize/clarify some of the major points:

1> What are the core requirements that any group must meet to form a colony on Vesta? Is it just a requirement that all men be "fixed" (placed in an anti-violence collar and anti-penetration cup)?

A)Based on your short stories, it seems like there's also a presumption that the focus on any romantic relationship should be on female pleasure - and that the society must be set up to keep the male residents horny*

*not for male pleasure, but possibly for their "benefit" - or to enhance the experience/control of the women

2> Neutralia causes problems:

B)Because all of the chastity cups are open, males are able to masturbate freely. Not ony does this take away from it being a "chastity planet", it also lets stories "be about the boy" - the male residents don't have to worry about the women, or pleasuring females

C)The unisex policy seems to make Neutralia very, very similar to Minerva - the only major difference seems to be whether the males are allowed penis-based orgasms.

D)Because Neutralia allows male orgasms, it seems like it would be the premiere destination of males visiting Vesta

3> Minervan policies seem to directly undermine the general normalcy you're trying to achieve with that society.

E)Because Minervan males have no hope of penile orgasm, what motivates them to pursue Minervan females? At some point, even the stupidest tourist or immigrant is going to realize that desiring a girl only makes his life worse.

F)And the "gender is a social construct" policy seems to require that Minerva consider no difference between hetero, homo, and bi- relationships. Either all are equally valid, or both genders would be expected to be asexual - either way, that seems to be more appropriate to Neutralia

4> I think you want to include several levels of fail-safes in Vestan society, rather than just saying "society stays this way because the aliens make it work". For one, its a deus ex machina solution - which is generally considered a major story flaw. On the other, having numerous fallbacks (to maintain the chaste status quo) works to head off problems you don't want to occur, and reassure parents nervous about sending their kids off to an alien-controlled pleasure planet (What happens if X fails? What happens if X and Y fail? . . . )

*)Sooner or later, male residents of a colony-nation (particularly the ones stuck in long term contracts) are going to try and amend their constition to allow greater/equal orgasmic rights. Thus, each colony-nation needs a way to keep the males off their chastity cup control boards, to limit their ability to get pro-male rights candidates elected, to head off protests, and limit the efficacy of female supporters (no "Women for the Ethical Treatment of Males", etc. - or at least keep it fringe).

Just saying the constituion can't be amended like that is also a bit of a deus ex machina solution - and limits both the future of the society, and you're ability to introduce changes down the road.

*)Female residents need a way to immediately protect themselves against rogue males, to prevent themselves from being mobbed by horny men (each trying to seduce her), etc.

My suggestion is to include a panic button feature: partially immoblizing males in the immediate area, shifting their cups (temporarily) into a "sucks to be male" configuration, contact police/EMTs. . . basically force the males to back off and get official help dispatched

An Insomniac Night Owl said...

This is part one of tonight's two-parter - it keeps disappearing

Hmm . . . I was very . . . verbose, last night. Let's see if I can't summarize/clarify some of the major points:

1> What are the core requirements that any group must meet to form a colony on Vesta? Is it just a requirement that all men be "fixed" (placed in an anti-violence collar and anti-penetration cup)?

A)Based on your short stories, it seems like there's also a presumption that the focus on any romantic relationship should be on female pleasure - and that the society must be set up to keep the male residents horny*

*not for male pleasure, but possibly for their "benefit" - or to enhance the experience/control of the women

2> Neutralia causes problems:

B)Because all of the chastity cups are open, males are able to masturbate freely. Not ony does this take away from it being a "chastity planet", it also lets stories "be about the boy" - the male residents don't have to worry about the women, or pleasuring females

C)The unisex policy seems to make Neutralia very, very similar to Minerva - the only major difference seems to be whether the males are allowed penis-based orgasms.

D)Because Neutralia allows male orgasms, it seems like it would be the premiere destination of males visiting Vesta

3> Minervan policies seem to directly undermine the general normalcy you're trying to achieve with that society.

E)Because Minervan males have no hope of penile orgasm, what motivates them to pursue Minervan females? At some point, even the stupidest tourist or immigrant is going to realize that desiring a girl only makes his life worse.

F)And the "gender is a social construct" policy seems to require that Minerva consider no difference between hetero, homo, and bi- relationships. Either all are equally valid, or both genders would be expected to be asexual - either way, that seems to be more appropriate to Neutralia

4> I think you want to include several levels of fail-safes in Vestan society, rather than just saying "society stays this way because the aliens make it work". For one, its a deus ex machina solution - which is generally considered a major story flaw. On the other, having numerous fallbacks (to maintain the chaste status quo) works to head off problems you don't want to occur, and reassure parents nervous about sending their kids off to an alien-controlled pleasure planet (What happens if X fails? What happens if X and Y fail? . . . )

*)Sooner or later, male residents of a colony-nation (particularly the ones stuck in long term contracts) are going to try and amend their constition to allow greater/equal orgasmic rights. Thus, each colony-nation needs a way to keep the males off their chastity cup control boards, to limit their ability to get pro-male rights candidates elected, to head off protests, and limit the efficacy of female supporters (no "Women for the Ethical Treatment of Males", etc. - or at least keep it fringe).

Just saying the constituion can't be amended like that is also a bit of a deus ex machina solution - and limits both the future of the society, and you're ability to introduce changes down the road.

*)Female residents need a way to immediately protect themselves against rogue males, to prevent themselves from being mobbed by horny men (each trying to seduce her), etc.

My suggestion is to include a panic button feature: partially immoblizing males in the immediate area, shifting their cups (temporarily) into a "sucks to be male" configuration, contact police/EMTs. . . basically force the males to back off and get official help dispatched

An Insomniac Night Owl said...

- One last attempt to post the first part of tonight's two-parter -

Hmm . . . I was very . . . verbose, last night. Let's see if I can't summarize/clarify some of the major points:

1> What are the core requirements that any group must meet to form a colony on Vesta? Is it just a requirement that all men be "fixed" (placed in an anti-violence collar and anti-penetration cup)?

A)Based on your short stories, it seems like there's also a presumption that the focus on any romantic relationship should be on female pleasure - and that the society must be set up to keep the male residents horny*

*not for male pleasure, but possibly for their "benefit" - or to enhance the experience/control of the women


2> Neutralia causes problems:

B)Because all of the chastity cups are open, males are able to masturbate freely. Not ony does this take away from it being a "chastity planet", it also lets stories "be about the boy" - the male residents don't have to worry about the women, or pleasuring females

C)The unisex policy seems to make Neutralia very, very similar to Minerva - the only major difference seems to be whether the males are allowed penis-based orgasms.

D)Because Neutralia allows male orgasms, it seems like it would be the premiere destination of males visiting Vesta


3> Minervan policies seem to directly undermine the general normalcy you're trying to achieve with that society.

E)Because Minervan males have no hope of penile orgasm, what motivates them to pursue Minervan females? At some point, even the stupidest tourist or immigrant is going to realize that desiring a girl only makes his life worse.

F)And the "gender is a social construct" policy seems to require that Minerva consider no difference between hetero, homo, and bi- relationships. Either all are equally valid, or both genders would be expected to be asexual - either way, that seems to be more appropriate to Neutralia


4> I think you want to include several levels of fail-safes in Vestan society, rather than just saying "society stays this way because the aliens make it work". For one, its a deus ex machina solution - which is generally considered a major story flaw. On the other, having numerous fallbacks (to maintain the chaste status quo) works to head off problems you don't want to occur, and reassure parents nervous about sending their kids off to an alien-controlled pleasure planet (What happens if X fails? What happens if X and Y fail? . . . )

*)Sooner or later, male residents of a colony-nation (particularly the ones stuck in long term contracts) are going to try and amend their constition to allow greater/equal orgasmic rights. Thus, each colony-nation needs a way to keep the males off their chastity cup control boards, to limit their ability to get pro-male rights candidates elected, to head off protests, and limit the efficacy of female supporters (no "Women for the Ethical Treatment of Males", etc. - or at least keep it fringe).

Just saying the constituion can't be amended like that is also a bit of a deus ex machina solution - and limits both the future of the society, and you're ability to introduce changes down the road.

*)Female residents need a way to immediately protect themselves against rogue males, to prevent themselves from being mobbed by horny men (each trying to seduce her), etc.

My suggestion is to include a panic button feature: partially immoblizing males in the immediate area, shifting their cups (temporarily) into a "sucks to be male" configuration, contact police/EMTs. . . basically force the males to back off and get official help dispatched

- To Be Continued -

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